The Blood Sugar Blueprint

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in a really tangible, individual daily basis. Most of us are having symptoms in our daily life related to blood sugar that we don’t even know. You might be kind of irritable, shaky, that sort of thing. You might not even know it’s your blood sugar. And then, like not to mention increased risk of different things like heart disease, stroke, fatty liver, that kind of stuff, which I mean, all impacts longevity.

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Welcome to Dental All-Stars. I’m Eric Vickery, president of coaching at All-Star Dental Academy. I’m so excited to interview our guest today. Again, Kathleen Wine. She’s our, our, feels like our own in-house personal health coach. We just love working with her and she’s on the All-Star team, ready to support those out there that are looking for a health coach. Her, her background, like her title, you’re a functional medicine certified health coach.

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with a background in root cause healing and advanced training and functional blood chemistry lab ranges. That is a mouthful. I nailed it, Kathleen. nailed it. You did. You got it that time. Yeah. Kathleen works with just individuals who are navigating things like chronic fatigue, burnout, complex health concerns, not just simple like, hey, you need to work out. She’s really helping them find clarity to not only build better habits, but just find

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you know, wellbeing, what does it look like to be not so overwhelmed, not on that verge of feeling like you’re burnt out. And we love having her coaching with us here. Her coaching is shaped by both her own professional training and what it’s taken for her to get to this level, but she’s also lived it. And you know, your own experiences and your health journey is quite the story that someday we’ll get to. And I’m sure you share that with your clients, but.

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You know, she’s offering for our clients, you know, grounded, real, you know, supporting people compassionately, uh, for those that are ready to reclaim their energy, their resilience. Uh, she actually lives up, up in my neck of the woods in Northern California with her husband, who’s also named Eric. And, uh, she has an adorable son. Uh, they’ve been on their own journey of healing. And that’s how you know, Abby, my wife, and we’re connected that way. And you guys been working on that since for the last 10 years, since 2015. And so.

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She is thrilled, we are thrilled to have her be a part of the All-Star team, really so she can help the dental professional world prioritize their own wellness and their own resilience through just your conversations, your coaching with them and making sure that, you know, I think people are making the right decisions. There’s so much information out there and how do you dig through it? And I just want to go to someone who can break it down and go, look, pay attention to this, don’t pay attention to that. Here’s some resources for you.

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Again, welcome Kathleen. Thank you for being here again. Yeah. Thanks Eric. It’s good to be here. Yeah. Our topic today is, I guess we could call it blood sugar. Is that our topic? Yeah. Yeah. Blood sugar regulation. Okay. sound exciting, but it really is. Well, know, crumble cookies making this real difficult for me. got it. I got to say. So Eric was at my birthday party and I was like eating my second crumble cookie or looking at him, see if he’s watching me. Oh, you want to have to.

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So why are we as dental professionals, I mean, look, if you talk to a dentist, they’re gonna talk to their patients about sugar, obviously sugar, cavities, there’s this connection to it. But why are we, forget about cavities, why are we as dental professionals caring about our blood sugar, especially if we’re not diabetic? What is the big deal with blood sugar and all of that? Share with us. Yeah, sure. So, I mean, just like a…

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bigger lens, blood sugar regulation is such a bigger issue, I think, than any of us realize. And I’ve just been mind blown. There’s a 2018 study that showed that out of Americans, 93 % are metabolically unhealthy. So that would include issues with triglyceride, HDL numbers, waist circumference, blood pressure, or blood sugar. So the majority of Americans are having issues with their metabolic health. And even if you’re not

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diabetic, a lot of Americans are already pre-diabetic. So if you’re looking at those fasting glucose ranges, pre-diabetic is that 100 to 125. And I looked up the stats, 38 % of Americans are pre-diabetic and a lot of them don’t even realize that they are. That would be considered normal on most lab ranges. So it’s really good info for most of us to wrap our brains around because if you’re not in that pre-diabetic range, I mean, a lot of us deal with

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a little bit higher fasting blood sugar than is good for our bodies. And that like high end of normal is like 95 to 99, which a lot of us fall in there, which usually means that we could use a little help and support really tightening in our blood sugar to arrange where we’re not having big spikes and drops. And so that’s like just bigger pictures and stats, but in a really tangible like individual daily basis.

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Most of us are having symptoms in our daily life related to blood sugar that we don’t even know is related to the spikes and drops that happen when our blood sugars really, I call it a blood sugar roller coaster. So you might eat a meal that is really carb heavy or a snack that’s just pure carbs or have a really stressful day. Like even that can spike your blood sugar. And once you get started on that roller coaster, it’s really hard to step off of cause your blood sugar will come up to a big.

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top over here, just like on a roller coaster, down to a low dip. Once you’re going on that roller coaster, it’s really hard to get back off again. It’s a lot easier to keep that blood sugar really nice and steady when you start in a good spot and stay there all day. And it’s both the peak and the valley can cause a lot of symptoms. So you might not realize that your fatigue could be a big blood sugar drop or anxiety, I’ll see a lot of times can be related to a big blood sugar peak. You might be kind of

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Irritable, shaky, that sort of thing. You might not even know it’s your blood sugar. And then it can increase, like it can contribute to poor sleep, increase inflammation, which can really contribute to joint pain or even just lowered athletic recovery. And then like not to mention increased risk of different things like heart disease, stroke, fatty liver, that kind of stuff, which I mean, all impacts longevity. And then to me,

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You know, to me, what’s important is not just career longevity, but ability to really enjoy life and engage with life. So it impacts all of those things. It’s really important to, to wrap your brain around. Yeah. I love that we have access to information pretty consistently nowadays where you can go into chat or you can go access you and figure things out. But I want to clarify something because I think most dentists would probably know this, but I know we have other than dentists listens podcasts. You say blood sugar.

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I say crumble cookie, and then you throw a word in like carbs. So just for clarity sake, explain what’s the connection between blood sugar and carbs. Yeah. So I mean, yeah, carbs are going to be anything like, like the sugar levels in your crumble cookie or, you know, a piece of bread or some crackers, anything like that. that carbs aren’t bad. I’m never going to villainize and say that you should have no carbs.

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But it’s really important to regulate your carbs with some steady sustained energy, like some fiber from vegetables or some protein from meat or whatever your protein source is there. Because when you eat just plain carbs on its own with on an empty stomach, nothing else in there, that’s really, it’s quick energy, you know, to talk about it in neutral terms, it’s quick energy, which is great if you’re gonna go run a sprint, but it’s not great if you’re gonna go sit at your desk.

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You’re going to, you’re going to really get some of those symptoms from that quick energy without it being managed by other protein. So in college it was, Hey, we have a basketball game, go eat spaghetti, just load up on spaghetti, eat a ton of spaghetti cause we’re going to play a game. And I think that never changed for me, you know, whether it was noodles or, or cheese, it’s or whatever the snack was.

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But I’m one of those used to be where I’d go, man, I’m, I’m feeling like, oh, in my day, let me just eat something really quick, whether it’s chocolate or a snack to try to feel like I’m putting fuel in. I think, I don’t think that a lot of people necessarily know that carbs relate to blood sugar as much as they do. So, you know, Abby and I, you mentioned like not getting our carbs. We’re like, I don’t know.

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10 % carb diet somewhere around there, maybe 15. Pretty low carb. And, you know, cheat days, of course, but, you know, a lot, heavy protein, vegetable, you know, she does a great job at keeping things pretty healthy for us. So I don’t, I just don’t think that people really know that there’s a correlation, there’s a connection. They think, oh, sugar is sugar.

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carbs are something different, but you’re really explaining that, carbs are gonna basically affect your blood sugar level. The more you eat, the worse this is gonna be for you on the up and down part. And you need to recognize that in your diet, carbs are playing a huge role in that. Am I explaining that okay? Yes, excellently. Yeah, it all breaks down to the same simple sugars. So yeah, I mean, the refined sugar is gonna be more of that instant source of energy and more.

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It’s more the obvious one, but the carbs are almost like a hidden sugar. It’s like people don’t recognize there as, you know, uh complex carbohydrates. Can you explain the difference between like Cheez-It and spaghetti carbs versus complex carbohydrates? Cause I’m confused on that. that like vegetables? Yeah. that? It’s any of the harder to break down carbs. So it’s going to hit your bloodstream over a little longer period of time than maybe the simple. It’s like the…

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spaghetti or processed bread or cheese, it’s a little more broken down. So you’re going to break it down in your stomach. It’s going to hit your bloodstream a little quicker. Whereas the complex carbs might be something like uh potatoes or something like that. It’s still a carb, but it takes your body a little longer to break down. So it’s going be less of an instant burst of that carb blood sugar. So if I need more energy during my day and I’m feeling down,

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What do I do instead? Just give me maybe a simple hack. What do I do instead of reaching for that snack, whether it’s a direct carb or a sugar? What would you say? Yeah. One of my favorite things surrounding carbs, mean, again, carbs are helpful for that instant source of sugar. If you’re hungry, you should definitely eat a snack. But one of the things I like is no naked carbs. So rather than just grabbing that snack that’s just pure carb, combine it with a source of protein and a source of fat.

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Yeah. So you always want to, that protein is going to bring your blood sugar actually down is what protein does. It stabilizes you. And then, you know, you can throw a vegetable in there with fiber to make it so that your body’s, uh, so the blood sugar is going into bloodstream less quickly. Fiber is what slows that down. And then the fat is this, what keeps you sustained. It helps you feel full longer. So if you can pair, like, I love those snack pairings. Like you pair a snack that’s like,

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I mean, a classic one would be like you do an apple, maybe some peanut butter. And I, love those chopsticks. Have you had those? I was just going to say, can I my chopsticks? I eat those? We have so many chopsticks in our house. Yeah. Yeah. Cause that’s just a very simple, almost pure protein source. I think it’s five grams of protein. Oh, it’s five or maybe even more. should look. I eat two, so I’ll do that.

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And then you’ve mentioned some bars to me that you really liked that are like zero sugar, no fake, you know, no cancer causing fake sugars. So there’s some other hacks out there that you can do along with that. I love the apple idea. My son’s a lawyer who’s a peanut butter, but we do have other- butter. Yeah. Yeah, you go. Yeah, something else in there that we could put, okay, that’s good to know. And then, you know, electrolyte drink, you know, we use a doTERRA, you know, squeeze it in type drink that helps keep us-

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hydrated and do you think that’s a benefit? Like would that fall into that category as well as are a totally different topic? Yeah. Oh yeah, totally. I mean, I love talking about the importance of there’s a lot of nutrients that are essential. If you picture all the cascades of utilizing blood sugar in your body, getting it where it needs to go. And there’s a lot of different

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Nutrients that your body needs to be able to get all of these processes down and electrolytes are a big part of that So making sure you have sufficient magnesium sodium and potassium and Really? Those are helping with your insulin signaling they’re making sure that your blood glucose is going across the cell membrane and actually getting where it needs to go getting into the cell where it needs to go for the energy and em And then it supports your adrenals too, which it really helps keep your blood sugar steady as well

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I imagine there’s bad electrolytes and good electrolytes. What are we looking for? Yeah. mean, looking at that label, I like to see anything with few ingredients that you know what they are. Any of those things that you’re like, I’m not quite sure what that is. Those like sugar alcohols. don’t like, I don’t like the ones that have a lot of cane sugar, obviously, because then you’re going to spike your blood sugar with sugar. Yeah. Yeah. With your electrolytes and it’s not great for your teeth either.

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But I really like, I mean, you can look for ones with monk fruit or stevia, or if you just want to go, my favorite is unflavored. Obviously not, it’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but Body Bio has a really good one called E-Lite. That’s totally unflavored, great proportion of magnesium and sodium and potassium. That mimics actually the, our blood, like the balance of our blood. it’s a great there’s no taste to it at all. Like you wouldn’t even know you’re drinking it.

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But it does have a taste. Yeah. You kind of start slow and you kind of get used to it or you can add it to another drink too. I can’t do the real salty tasting electrolyte stuff. really almost, it almost makes me feel sick, like nauseous when I drink it. Is it like that? No, no, it’s, it’s a lot more balanced. I’m not a huge fan of those really high sodium ones, unless you’re an extremely

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active person who’s sweating lot. If you’re doing a crossfit workout every single day, you might benefit from it. But I usually tell my clients, listen to your body. When you are taking those electrolytes, if you’re experiencing uh like swelling, like swelling in your hands after you drink the electrolytes, you’re probably getting too much salt is probably too salty. You want something that’s really balanced or higher potassium. Got it. And then just to circle back to the snacking.

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We talked about protein. there a number you put to the protein that you want to get to for a snack three times, you know, three meals a day, you need this much protein or is that different based on everyone’s needs or? Yeah, it’s, it depends on the person, but what I ask kind of a baseline to try for most people aim for about 30 grams of protein per meal is generally going to keep you really full and sustained longer. And

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Another one of my favorite hacks in terms of eating and balancing your meals is that’s so simple is just the order you eat food actually matters a lot, which sounds kind of wild, but just if you have your plate in front of you and you’ve got mashed potatoes and some sort of meat and some vegetables, eat the vegetables first, because then your body is going to be digesting that more slowly, slows down the digestion with the fiber. Eat your protein next.

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and then eat your carbs last, and you’re way less likely to have a blood sugar spike. It actually makes a huge difference, and it’s kind of a simple thing to try. So the order of what you’re eating is important. So let’s go back to it again for those that were listening. Give us the order again. I want to eat what first? You want to eat your vegetables first. So any sort of vegetable starter makes a huge difference. That’s what I do, because I’m like, I don’t like this. I’m going get this over with. So I my vegetables first. OK, good. What else? OK, what’s next? And then you’ll do your protein next. Protein. OK, good. then?

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carbs last. So on my plate, I’ve got broccoli. I’m going to really enjoy this meal. So broccoli, steak, and then like a sweet potato. Yep. That’s great. Just eat it in that order. Normally I would go broccoli, sweet potato, steak. need to flip flop that. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Just the way it’s easy. mean, it’s not, you don’t to be really religious about it, but it is a really helpful thing that’s

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Really pretty simple. And I mean, it’s kind of interesting because restaurants usually put out the bread first. So you’re snacking on a bread before you eat. That’s not what you want. No. is into this bread homemaking milling thing herself. That would be another topic topic. Cause I guess there is a way to have really healthy bread for you where there’s fiber in it. It’s you’re grinding your own wheat, guess is what she’s doing and she enjoys it.

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You know, versus the whole sourdough thing, you know, when she told me she was doing a sourdough baking thing, I was like, I’ll see you in a week. That was a nightmare. My gosh, what a mess that was. But take forever and you’re, know what you’re feeding it or something, but this was, this is like a, easier topic for her to grab ahold of and, and hobby to do, I guess. And it’s pretty healthy. So, Yeah. I’ve heard great things. Okay. Now I do want to ask you this, uh, you know, I’m tired movement. I’ve, I’ve seen where.

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You know, we want to do our, what do we do? Four miles in and out, less than an hour. You know, that’s kind of our pace, what we want to do. But sometimes we don’t have that. I’m sitting here all day long. I have heard that I could get up out of my chair, do 10 squats every hour and have it be close to or equivalent of that mile or four miles. Four miles I would have done that night. Is that true? Is that a good thing to do with blood sugar? Does that get the blood flowing versus just sitting here all day? Yeah.

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Yeah. Oh, it makes a huge difference. I mean, you’ve maybe heard the saying before that sitting is the new smoking. That. Wow. No, I hadn’t heard that’s rough. That’s rough for me. I’m in the chair all day. Totally being sedentary is a, is a huge risk factor for a lot of chronic disease. So any way that you can introduce movement that is something you can do sustainably. It’s, I mean, it’s huge. And I’ve heard it called movement snacks. So where you’re doing it like that, you don’t need to, you know, always.

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every day be setting aside an hour for your workout, literally just adding in 10 squats every hour or even just after you eat, trying to do a 10 minute walk or 10 squats after you eat. You’re causing your muscles to shuttle in that glucose into the muscles, burn it, use it so that you’re not going to get the spike in the same way and not the detrimental effects. So that’s why that’s really beneficial. All right.

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You’re, inspiring me. got to stop just sitting all day. I’ve got to do it. So, so my clients listening, if I’m, if I’m 10 squats late for my meeting, know what’s happening. I’m just, I’m just keeping myself balanced. All right. So I mean, Abby is worn like a. Blue post monitor thing, or I think that’s what it is. I don’t know. I’m, I’m.

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you know, pre-prediabetic, you know, you look at the numbers, you know, she would be too. That’s why we’re so focused on this health kick. know, like you said, a lot of people are, they don’t even know it. They’re not doing their blood work every six months. So what sort of tools are we going to be able to use to monitor these spikes and valleys and try to get it even? What would you suggest? Yeah, that using a continuous glucose monitor is one of my favorite tools. I used it for myself a year, year and a half ago.

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And it is game changing because you really get to see and track how your specific body is reacting to your diet and lifestyle. And it’s so different depending on the person, you know, you’ll give some of these hacks and for some somebody will make a huge difference if someone else needs to focus somewhere else. And just explain these continuous glucose monitors are what you wear on the back of your arm. You may have seen it.

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in the past has been used mostly for diabetics to monitor their blood sugar. But in recent years, a lot of people are recognizing that just being able to see their blood sugar, what it’s doing throughout the day, it’s checking the interstitial fluid. So it’s not, it is a small needle. It actually doesn’t hurt, which sounds silly, but no, it doesn’t hurt at all. And you wear it for like 15 days before you switch to another monitor.

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sends a chart to your phone basically of exactly what your blood sugar is doing. You see like a map throughout the day. And a lot of times in the app you can tag, I ate this meal here. I worked out there. So as you watch your day, you can see, know, oh, my breakfast was really good. I had sustained energy. I didn’t have a big spike and drop. And that’s what we’re avoiding is you want to avoid a big spike and drop. The numbers for a continuous glucose monitor, it’s not your blood glucose. It’s a little different.

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So you’re mostly looking at trends. You wanna make sure that usually you’re avoiding spikes of 40 points or more. So wherever you’re starting out, you don’t want it to go high up to 40 points, drop down to a big low, because that’s when you start getting really symptomatic. em But yeah, I mean, it’s really helpful for strategizing for your body using the hacks that we just talked about and seeing like, oh, you know what? I don’t do great with potatoes, but I do really well with rice.

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Those are the kind of things you can carry with you that don’t make you feel like you have to change your entire lifestyle forever. And even you can find ways to do the things you enjoy that uh aren’t really damaging. Like, at least for me, I would love to have dessert after a meal. I do not do great with a dessert after dinner. I do a lot better with a dessert after lunch.

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It makes a big difference when in the day you’re having a treat. it both. I like a dessert after lunch and dinner. yeah. Preferably. Yeah. I’m the worst. Great. I love that sugar. It’s like salt, protein, and then I’m like, I need something sugar. And we could talk about that another time, but like, know, dark chocolates, I’ve become more accustomed to that. I just don’t even buy it. Otherwise I will eat it. You know, I joked about the crumble cookie thing for my birthday that was here. And I was like, oh my gosh, I will, I will eat. I’m like the cookie monster. I will eat cookies.

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It is my favorite dessert. And I just have learned, I can’t have them, I can’t have them in the house. just, it’s a habit that I need to avoid. Is there a glucose monitor? I don’t know if you can state a name or is there a specific one to use? Cause I know Abby went with a couple and a couple were frustrating and then one worked better. And you’re right. The needle doesn’t hurt. It’s taking it off. That is the problem. You know, getting it cause a sticker, you know, so, um, is there one that you like? Is there one you’ve had good results with that you would

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be comfortable sharing? Yeah, sure. em There’s a couple programs that are a little more all inclusive that include, I don’t know if it’s a dietician or a coach, but you get a little bit more advice. So it’s more like a full program if you really want more hand holding. The one I’m familiar right now, the one that I used last year got acquired by a different company. So they’re no longer, but I’ve heard good things about NutriSense if you’re looking for like an all inclusive program.

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But what’s really amazing is in the last year, they’ve made these glucose monitors way more accessible. So they’ve changed the labeling. My understanding is they’ve changed the labeling. So they call it a uh glucose biosensor, I think is the language. And so you don’t need a prescription. You have less hoops you have to jump through, which also makes it more affordable. So the two I’m familiar with that I am pointing people toward to try out is uh Hello Lingo is one.

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and Stellow is another. Those are like the two main ones on the market. And that’s more bare bones. You’re just getting the monitor and some basic tracking. But that’s, as of right now, when I last looked, it was only like $100 a month for, I think that includes two or three sensors. So you can track for 30 days.

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of a monitor. then you don’t need a prescription to go to the pharmacy to pick up, you order direct. Okay. And so they’re, they’re hacking this by calling them bio monitors, you said? Yeah. I’m trying to remember the exact language. Oh, glucose biosensor. Yep. They just changed it. Okay. Glucose biosensor. All right. I’m on it. That’s, that’s really cool. I think, I mean, would you say, does this, does this, I mean, we go get our blood work done.

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first and then we say, okay, we’re pre-diabetic, we’re pre-diabetic, let’s do this, just put this on and monitor it? Or do you think, hey, just get a monitor since you can go get one now and then you go, oh my gosh, keep my blood work then? Or what would you say? I think the lowest barrier to entry, I think everyone would benefit from doing even just one month with a glucose biosensor, whatever the new term is, because it really is a game changer. Even if you have excellent blood sugar,

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Most people can pinpoint, oh, these are the habits. These are the things that are really problematic for me. And when you have the specific data for your body, it is game changing. It really was for me on my own. mean, being a coach myself, it’s still hard to make the habit change. You could be like, yeah, I shouldn’t eat ice cream before bed. But you know, it’s hard to say no to that all the time. But when you see the data and you look at your blood sugar overnight, when you do things like that, you’re like,

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Oh, that’s not worth it. I can see I slept way worse. My blood sugar was a mess overnight. And it’s a lot more compelling to help you with that change. I know we could get it. How are we really getting the weeds on like what’s a healthy range and all that? I think we’ll, we’ll save that for another time. People could probably Google that, but from a ideal blood work was just, let’s just give them two numbers. Ideal blood work, optimal ranges for, um, fasting insulin and the

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uh What is it? A1C? A1C, yeah. What would you say those numbers range would be if someone’s thinking, okay, what does that need to be? I know your blood work will also put like a green, red, whatever diet, like you want to be in that green. So what are we looking for? Yeah, so functional ranges or like optimal ranges are really those tightened down ranges based on studies that show people in optimum health.

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So a lot of times the ranges you’re seeing on your lab work will include people that are not very healthy on both ends of the spectrum, too low, too high. So when we’re looking at the functional ranges, that’s what we’re looking at is people with optimal health. And for that fasting blood sugar, optimal would be like 75 to 86. So that is kind of on the lower end of that typical range. And so that’s for the fasting blood glucose. And then the A1C.

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typically about 4.9 to 5.3 is gonna be much more optimal for optimal metabolic health. 4.9 to 5.3. Yes, exactly. All right. mean, look, for me, it’s in one and you’re out the other sometimes with this sort of stuff. I necessarily know what that means. I assume that there are people out there saying things going, yeah, mean, our dentists probably know what that is, but even knowing it,

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probably isn’t enough. So where does the coach come into play with this? How do you help me interpret what it is and then do you give me some things to do, create a count, tell me how that works. Sure, absolutely. Yeah, I mean, a lot of times I’ll say, like we know what we should be doing for our health. Like there’s a list of five things I could list off for my own self that I’m like, I know that I would feel a lot better if I did these five things. It’d make a big difference for me.

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But knowing is super different than actually doing, actually implementing. It’s hard. It’s really hard to change habits, especially on your own, to try and just muscle through and say, hey, you know what? I know I feel a lot better. I’m going make it happen. And some people do it. But the majority of us, we really need some support in being able to implement habits and make sure that they’re small enough that they stick. And that’s one of the biggest things I see in people is they have this

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moment where they realize things need to change and they try to change it all at once and it’s not sustainable. So I love looking at what’s the smallest change we can make that really moves the needle for you that’s super sustainable. Like this is something you could do for the next 20 years because it’s simple and straightforward. And then we’re just building. We’re just always building. So you’re not getting into that place of overwhelm. You’re not revamping your whole life and you know, like

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somehow removing all stress, quitting your job. You know, we’re not doing that. We’re really looking at ways to make it sustainable in the life that you currently live and step you closer to the life that you want and like really what you desire, what you enjoy in life and make your life more manageable for you. here’s how ROI on this for, for dentists, for team members. If a dentist thinking about this, like I don’t pay for maybe a medical plan for my team, but I could pay for health coach for each of them.

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And now I’ve got people showing up to work instead of calling out sick. I’ve got higher energy level, better attitudes. You know, people are, you know, down in that valley, they’re not bumming. You know, they’re not, you know, spiking with energy. These are, these are things I think there is ROI for. If you’re listening to this, you’re wondering, well, how do I apply this to my team? I think there’s space for this. And I think that’s why we have you on our team. I, I, the clients that, that we have, you know, ready to.

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to say, hey, I want to make a difference in my whole team, my whole practice. There can be a win-win here of like how you offer a benefit to your team and using someone like you to support them in that. I know we’ve talked about the tiny things to me, just the order of how I eat my food now, you know? So I normally go dessert first. And then, yeah, it’s all backwards. It’s all right. So.

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You know, having you there to do those tiny coaching things is a huge, huge help. for those, thank you Kathleen for joining us again. I really appreciate it. We could talk about this all day. It’s such good stuff. So for those that are listening, we really do appreciate you taking time out of your day to listen. Please share this with someone. If you’re thinking about wanting some health coaching, just shoot us an email. Heather loves to talk with you all about this. Send an email to Heather at All-Star.

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dentalacademy.com and she’ll connect with you, talk about how we can support you in all of these ways. And for those that have family members that want to do this, share this podcast with them. Just get moving in the right direction. Do something. We want to give you guys some, some great support here on the podcast as well. So please remember to subscribe, share, follow, do all the things, click all the buttons. And we really appreciate you joining us all for this time with Kathleen.

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And so until next time, go out there and be an All-Star.

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